tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-395948500312534280.post3910507354797690237..comments2024-02-25T01:48:45.848-07:00Comments on Mr. Center's Wall: East of Eden XXXIX -- chpt39: Caleb Trask, SUPER HEROJoseph Centerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00090686611405364311noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-395948500312534280.post-26520597281527895162010-11-19T21:44:50.173-07:002010-11-19T21:44:50.173-07:00I've read about it actually happening. Very J...I've read about it actually happening. Very Jerry Springer.Joseph Centerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00090686611405364311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-395948500312534280.post-61048355777501315272010-11-19T17:56:02.531-07:002010-11-19T17:56:02.531-07:00Right. Pretty warped. Oh well. Such is life.Right. Pretty warped. Oh well. Such is life.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11708022607046379611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-395948500312534280.post-62368322650134122962010-11-19T17:34:43.801-07:002010-11-19T17:34:43.801-07:00About the paternity thing: Two eggs; one fertilize...About the paternity thing: Two eggs; one fertilized by Adam, the other Charles. Twins, but not twins.Joseph Centerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00090686611405364311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-395948500312534280.post-298384706673433662010-11-19T17:29:41.442-07:002010-11-19T17:29:41.442-07:0039.1.1. I thought about Aron. The question is whe...39.1.1. I thought about Aron. The question is whether he really knows or if he's preventing himself to know, and whether there's a difference there. Hmm... I think you're right because Adam doesn't really "know" either. He just takes pains not to find out like Aron, so I guess I agree.<br />39.1.5. Ahhh I think I see what you're saying. And maybe this relates to the ambiguity about whether they're his kids, too. The fact that they experience the same pain and emotions that he does kind of helps make him the father.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11708022607046379611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-395948500312534280.post-18065348605873517822010-11-19T17:21:56.027-07:002010-11-19T17:21:56.027-07:0039.1.1 -- Aron, too. Example: his convincing hims...39.1.1 -- Aron, too. Example: his convincing himself that his father is not a liar.<br />39.1.2 -- I agree that it's Lee.<br />39.1.5 -- I think the "I failed" is correct by very incomplete--"very" on in that it is a smaller portion of his emotions. He, like Cal, is flooded with love and understanding and relief, that he's never experienced or could have predicted, and none of which he can satisfactorily explain. It's new and exciting, just as it is for Cal.<br /><br />All the rest: very well put.Joseph Centerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00090686611405364311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-395948500312534280.post-32380276426769737462010-11-19T16:54:05.078-07:002010-11-19T16:54:05.078-07:0039.1.1. Adam
39.1.2. Lee? He has no clear counter...39.1.1. Adam<br />39.1.2. Lee? He has no clear counter-part, as far as I can tell at least. <br />39.1.3. He finally gets a real father. He and Aron have been close to orphans for most of their lives.<br />39.1.4. The fall of the giant in this case is kind of the way it was for Adam with Cyrus and for Charles with Adam. They want people to whom they can relate, but they don't think they are worthy to earn their approval until they find out that these people aren't perfect. <br />39.1.5. "I've failed."<br />39.2.1. Cathy's hands are interesting. I think they represent her skills of manipulation, kind of the way that a person finesses things with their fingers in just a certain way to make something happen. I don't know if this makes any sense to you, but this is kind of the feeling I've had about them. By this point, she's old, and she's faced several setbacks. Now, ever her own pubescent son is able to defeat her, which corresponds to the horrible arthritis. <br />39.2.2. More than ever I am convinced Cal=Charles and Aron=Adam. The "Timshel" is important because Cal is choosing to love and emulate Adam, even though he should have inherited Charles's traits. Along these lines, did you catch the part where Cathy suggests that Cal will get her arthritis at some point? A perfect example of her belief that you can't escape the evil that's being passed down to you.<br />39.2.4. I think she has a couple of fears. For one, she learns that it was not Adam who told him of Cathy's story. What this means is that the word is getting around, which could potentially be a threat. The bigger problem, though, is that she's afraid she really is missing something. Her entire life, her creed has been that, "People are evil, so I might as well be as evil as it takes to get power over them." And now her own son is completely different, as much as she tries to convince him and herself, that he's not. Her entire world paradigm is crashing down like one of the gods from earlier in the novel.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11708022607046379611noreply@blogger.com